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facing 4bet, not 5bet!!

Postby Evoke_89 » Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:46 am

Poker tracker classed 4bet as either a 4bet or 5bet, eg:

4bet def opp or 4bet opp can mean either a 4bet or 5bet (which is fricking annoying tbh).....

How can i specify that my 3bet is facing EXACTLY a 4bet???

Charlength is usless, because it dimisses all ocaions i face a4bet and the hand continues with a 5bet...

Its insane how inaccurate alot of the stats are.....

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cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet AND cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet_def_opp

^This is not fine because i can be against a 5bet too if a player between 5bets over the 4bet...^

I cannot use "not 4bet" because it discounts times i continue with a 5bet....
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Re: facing 4bet, not 5bet!!

Postby Evoke_89 » Wed Jun 04, 2025 9:55 am

Like a very simple, fold to 4bet (that's actually a 4bet) stat....

if i 3bet and def_opp 4bet <<That can be a 5bet too....

if i 3bet and def_opp 4bet Action F <<That can be a 5bet too....


This is a pretty important part of poker.... how often someone folds to a 4bet.... WTAF?
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Re: facing 4bet, not 5bet!!

Postby Evoke_89 » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:53 am

Or is my only option to make the stat HU specific??

Aka:

2players preflop (hopefully an inactive blind does not count as a PF player)?

Then i think it’s possible to get up to 5bet without complication… but its not ideal, especially with the issue about whether inactive blind players count as a player?

If i filter the flop for 2players, its 2players at the start of the flop, so i guess this filtering wouldn’t work PF…
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Re: facing 4bet, not 5bet!!

Postby Flag_Hippo » Wed Jun 04, 2025 2:14 pm

Evoke_89 wrote:How can i specify that my 3bet is facing EXACTLY a 4bet???

For that you can add:

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cash_hand_player_statistics.amt_p_4bet_facing > 0

Evoke_89 wrote:Its insane how inaccurate alot of the stats are.....

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cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet AND cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet_def_opp

It's accurate based on the description of the statistic using it in PokerTracker 4:

PokerTracker 4 wrote:Percentage of the time that a player folded to a 4Bet or higher given that he made a 3bet preflop.
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Re: facing 4bet, not 5bet!!

Postby Evoke_89 » Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:09 pm

I will take a look at this.

Would “ cash_hand_player_statistics.amt_p_5bet_facing > 0” work to specify a 5bet? Or is PT limited to 4bet only and anything higher is none specifiable?
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Re: facing 4bet, not 5bet!!

Postby Evoke_89 » Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:21 am

Thanks for that, it's really helped :D

I have another question regarding the below code:

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cash_hand_player_statistics.position=0 AND cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_steal_att and cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_first_raise and cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet_def_opp and not cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_squeeze_def_opp and not cash_hand_summary.str_aggressors_p LIKE '810%' and cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet_opp


BTN opp to 4bet vs Blind Resteal... How can I remove occasions where the SB 3bets and BB Calls the 3bet.
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Re: facing 4bet, not 5bet!!

Postby Flag_Hippo » Fri Jun 06, 2025 7:26 am

Evoke_89 wrote:Would “ cash_hand_player_statistics.amt_p_5bet_facing > 0” work to specify a 5bet?

Yes.
Evoke_89 wrote:I have another question regarding the below code:

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cash_hand_player_statistics.position=0 AND cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_steal_att and cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_first_raise and cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet_def_opp and not cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_squeeze_def_opp and not cash_hand_summary.str_aggressors_p LIKE '810%' and cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet_opp

I don't know why you are including 'not cash_hand_summary.str_aggressors_p LIKE '810%'' but it is not possible for the CO to be the first raiser if the BTN was so you can remove this test.

Evoke_89 wrote:BTN opp to 4bet vs Blind Resteal... How can I remove occasions where the SB 3bets and BB Calls the 3bet.

For that you can add:

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cash_hand_summary.str_actors_p NOT LIKE '098%'
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