About 3bet vs steal%

[WhiteRider]

what about that rule that you can put what our exact actions were on a particular street? couldn't we set a rule where we only 'R' preflop then this would take out all the 4bet behind us opportunities because we are saying that we have only acted once preflop and we raised on button facing a steal and with a 3bet def opp.

You're right about checking for your actions being only 'R', but on the button you are not facing a blind steal, because you haven't posted a blind.

[pr1mo]

so then only option would be to label opponent as making a steal attempt but i guess if we are building this stat for the player on the button...impossible to also select that the opponent = cutoff and has attempted a steal

[WhiteRider]

That's right - that's why this is a difficult case to track down.
We have requested/suggested in the past that further information to cover this kind of situation be added but I don't know when that will be done.

[pr1mo]

We have requested/suggested in the past that further information to cover this kind of situation be added but I don't know when that will be done.

being able to classify actions on 2 different players in the same stat would pretty much be the holy grail i think. endless possibilities. looking forward to that functionality one day!

[kraada]

I agree, and hopefully this will be possible at one point, though it likely won't be anytime soon as much as we'd like it to be :)

[Mr Tiger]

I've made a stat Resteal BUvsCO with some limitations, which were noted here: https://www.pokertracker.com/forums/vie ... 26#p106693
But I'm not sure, if I'm correct.

cnt_p_BU_3bet_to_CO_steal_approx
sum(if[holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.position = 0 AND holdem_hand_player_detail.val_p_raise_aggressor_pos = 1 AND holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_blind_def_opp,1,0])

cnt_p_BU_3bet_to_CO_steal_opp_approx
sum(if[holdem_hand_player_statistics.position = 0 AND holdem_hand_player_detail.val_p_raise_aggressor_pos = 1 AND holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_blind_def_opp,1,0])

Does the expression holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_blind_def_opp,1,0 make sense here?
What if HJ open raises, CO 3bets and BU folds? Does it count as BU doesn't 3bet vs CO here?
And I'm also afraid of this issue: https://www.pokertracker.com/forums/vie ... 27#p194638 Does it take place here too?

[WhiteRider]

These stats won't work accurately for the reasons described in the posts you linked. If anyone re-raises then you lose the information about the position of the original raiser.

Furthermore, holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_blind_def_opp is never true for the button as they have nothing committed to the pot yet to be "stolen".
It isn't possible to tell whether the raise they face was an open (steal) raise or not.

All of this is possible in PT4, and some of it is already built in to existing stats.

[Mr Tiger]

WhiteRider
Thanks for the answer. I haven't yet understood only one thing. Why am I get value>0, if "holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_blind_def_opp is never true for the button"?

[WhiteRider]

Hmm - that is odd! Please export your stat and attach it to a Support Ticket with a link to this thread so that we can check it out.

[Mr Tiger]

Done. Looking forward for your answer soon.